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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast it is a breakdown it is a

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breaking news update we have fresh hot

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off the press um some news breaking in

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the early hours of the morning uk time

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or it would have been late evening in

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the united states so dan welcome to the

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breaking news podcast uh i've you've

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been up early this morning just

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notifications going wild um so yeah as

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reported by dean johnson and others in

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the early hours of this morning as we

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talk it's the 24th of november uk time

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the pentagon announced that the united

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states department for intelligence and

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security will lead a new airborne object

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identification and management

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synchronization group now as acronyms go

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does not roll off the tongue in any way

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shape or form does it um but this is

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going to be to assess uap within special

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use airspace just off the bat before i

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bring dan in this is not the asro or

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astro gel a brand amendment story we

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have been following it may or may not

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have a knock-on effect um but as i woke

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this morning i seen a few different

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people on facebook and twitter had

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posted that this was happening and this

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is what we've been waiting on this isn't

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what we've been following recently it's

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really totally separate but i think

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there's definitely a conversation there

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to be had so dan

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what's your immediate thoughts on what

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you've seen so far this morning

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so my immediate reaction was

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that they'd kneecapped the requests for

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obviously reading a bit more i agree

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with you actually this is kind of

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something separate to what we've been

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following it might have a knock-on

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the the language in the ndaa but this is

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actually a response to a memo from

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kathleen hicks on the 25th of june um

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asking the dod to establish procedures

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to synchronize collection reporting and

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to give recommendations to identify

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requirements for the establishment and

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operation of a new activity um

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and to develop all of these plans in

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coordination with i mean we we have the

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principal staff assistants the chairman

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and the dna and and then it says other

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whether like we say that has a knock-on

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this data so it kind of satisfies the

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what you've said so you have mentioned

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it's an upgrade on the uap task force i

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gillibrand amendment was was going to be

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that upgrade on the uap task force but

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senator gillibrand is actually talking

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senate and it could be you know a good

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framework to bolster the information

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timing timing i think is the thing here

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both of these you know the the ongoing

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azrael astro amendment story and this

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announcement because

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as this when we would have expected this

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a little bit left field it's certainly

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not happened overnight but i i've got

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comments from various different you know

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people here including tim mcmillan dean

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johnson was cool tart and likes and tim

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mcmillan described it as potentially

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administrative terrorism which is really

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interesting and that while it wasn't

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it was already put in place and it

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wasn't made to knock the gillibrand

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it's timing well and that probably has

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been deliberate to undermine to derail

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to devalue i think that's fair we kind

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established as well the the wider

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spin

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uh and gain a lot of traction in the

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media and things like that so the uaptf

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continuation of what atip were doing

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they weren't given you know extra

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uh access and things like that um they

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certainly asked for it but whether they

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got it we don't know um so that's why i

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it's formalizing something that was

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the timing is everything and all the

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committees and senators are going to be

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probably today now why this doesn't

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satisfy the same requirements as the

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gila brand amendment and

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people briefing

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the folk who are now reading this today

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they're very aware of the differences

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and why those differences are there and

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they would explain them um so i'm i'm

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still hopeful

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that this shows actually that the dod

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are doing the bare minimum

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um some of the comments so we don't have

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anything from luis elizondo yet we don't

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have anything from chris melon i think

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those are the two names people will be

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looking at too for for reaction from

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this given they have been working behind

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the scenes in in washington the last

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week or so and particularly uh hard

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tim macmillan had said if someone else

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put it to me the empire strikes back the

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dod appears to be trying to fend off

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some much more robust proposals in the

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gila brand rubio amendment we typically

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call this star a kind of stuff

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administrative terrorism that's an eight

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thread tweet so go and check out from

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d dean johnson

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vader there but oh yeah wrong side they

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thousand twitter followers he needs no

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man he's very knowledgeable on this

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stuff yeah he's fantastic to follow for

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stuff like this and i think's been doing

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a great job i don't think anyone else in

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the uk has been doing as good a job as

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dan has with the updates d dean johnson

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contacts and location and his background

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this so definitely worth worth checking

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him out he's the guy that i learned

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where to get all the alerts from and

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stuff like that so he's definitely worth

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listening to

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absolutely and you should be following

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him and if dean was listening to this

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the bedside manner could definitely be

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worked on but you know well done for the

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work you're doing is fantastic um

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dean said himself or d dean johnson with

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timing seemed to intended to undercut

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the gila brand rubio amendment the

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pentagon touts a slight bureaucratic

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elevation for investigation of uap

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brackets f in special user space far

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removed from the forceful mandates and

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ample resources proposed in the gila

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brand rubio amendment so again it seems

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to be aiming here like tim that this

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what azeroth or astro could be and it

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very much is something that fantastic if

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it runs alongside and and cooperates and

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they don't interfere with each other but

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is this absolutely necessary at the

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moment as well and i just have to add

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with his typical aussie humor ross

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coltart um mentioned that the us

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department of defense establishes

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unpronounceable acronym to investigate

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uaps so yeah thanks

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ross for the commentary on that as well

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um but yeah at the minute uh my gut

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let's not have people shouting it down i

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there if i've got it right this could be

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a catalyst for more action uh and people

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to spawn certain co-sponsor the gila

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brand rubio stuff and really get that

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moving further down the line and if

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nothing else i think people who nest

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maybe weren't as interested now have

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additional ammunition to get involved

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and think wait a minute we've got this

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on this side this on the other what are

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they should i be getting involved

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there's something to this and maybe this

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is another kick up the back side for the

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mainstream media especially in the us

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to be to be really looking at this as

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something that's a developing story then

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yeah 100 percent you know a few years

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back we had no language we all

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celebrated when the uapt f language came

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out and that was on the the dod website

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because it's just crazy to see it there

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and now we have

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essentially our worst case scenario is

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still better than the uaptf and then on

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the other side we have our ideal

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scenario scenario which is the gila

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brown memo and those two have now got a

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kind of fight it out and and i'm i'm

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hopeful the the officials have been

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briefed

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the language in the gila brand

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amendments to do with the biological

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effects uh the public

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kind of reporting um

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the wider look at the airspace not just

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the special usage space

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um

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is in the gila brand amendment versus

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here you've just got airborne that

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that's a hell of a difference in

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education of the two people that wrote

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this i think um and the digital brand

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amendment is certainly where people are

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going to be leaning because as we know

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airborne is like what

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3.3 of the sightings

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if if they don't go from air to water

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into space in one go anyway

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that's i think it's something they'll

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definitely be more news to come from uh

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some of the listeners uh ganosis had

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said try not to be cynical but on first

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inspection this seems like a purposely

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timed intervention to prevent the far

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more transparent gillibrand task force

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from taking hold basically no need for

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gillibrand rubio's idea hey everyone

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look over here we already have this

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bb said too much alphabet soup in that

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for me

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and i wonder is that anything to that in

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the sense that you know

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acronyms can be really off-putting for

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people as well and if it is a huge

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mouthful and it doesn't have that nice

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short astro which is obviously fantastic

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in every way shape and form because it's

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related to what we're looking at here

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then

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it does put people off and that can

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definitely be some kind of something

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psychological um e-wood agreed with all

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of that as well and it's it's definitely

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a developing story and i think we're

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going to hear a lot more from it from

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the rest of today as well um as i'm

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keeping an eye out on different accounts

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like other people should chris mello and

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luella's ondo and others to see see some

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more off the back of that dan anything

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you want to add just to finish off just

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just that it

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last night uh there was an interview

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that vinnie did with erlin strand and he

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was talking about how when they studied

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the hastel and phenomena they couldn't

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call it ufo they had to come up with a

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different name and i commented that

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that's kind of funny that we need to

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baby people who think that they're

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smarter than us um and it's kind of the

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same thing here and i didn't realize how

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much kind of

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imagination the term astro provoked

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until i read this new

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this new acronym which is just i would

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describe it as beige compared to you

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know this wonderful

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or inspiring like ooh astro you know you

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you certainly can't imagine the offices

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of such an organization rocking up you

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know there's a big difference between

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saying i'm from the office of astro

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versus i'm from the office of osmond's a

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good you know

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absolutely there's definitely more to

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come on this as the hours go by i'm sure

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even just today and as the days and

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weeks go forward we're still keeping an

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eye on the votes coming in from the

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senate on the gila brand amendment too

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to see again is there going to be more

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update from that today given given this

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news uh dan are you getting any thoughts

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on that yeah so um

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i spoken to deden johnson a bit and like

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i say he shares knowledge he's great um

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it'll be the 29th onwards uh that we're

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looking into the center that's when you

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should put your streams on and things

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like that things can still happen in the

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background because they're still talking

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and meeting in committees um but like i

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said in one of the other shows we did

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the ndaa the language in there for the

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uap stuff is different from the gila

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brand amendment so again if you don't

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think that's enough

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please please please if you're in the us

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contact your officials your senators

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anyone who's paid by the government who

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will listen and ask them to support the

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gila brand amendment it's so important

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absolutely and if you're looking for

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some more articles to read later on

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today keep an eye on uap media dot uk or

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at uap media uk on twitter hopefully

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we'll be getting some stuff out there

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from graham rendell adam goldsack vinnie

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adams dave partridge

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dan potentially gets involved with those

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as well and checking out dan does the

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spell checking yeah

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yeah and i say yep that sounds all right

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that's my job with them but um just

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we'll keep an eye on any commentary from

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the uap media group and also on the

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debrief later on today tim mcmillan's

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just announced they have a new article

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coming out from avi loeb as well so

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that'll no doubt be worth checking out

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too but dan thanks for joining us early

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i'm just going to say avilab actually

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has an event coming up that will be

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streamed on zoom uh he's talking to the

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i think it's the dublin astronomical

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society i think or the trinity college

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astronomy society i forget um one of the

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two have a look at my twitter it's a

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free event you can watch it um and it it

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kind of made me realize wow you know avi

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really is inspiring people because he's

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come across he's talking to people

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across the pond and he's talking to an

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actual science department about this

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stuff now not just you know the ufo

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community which is what we want exactly

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definitely but yeah check it out later

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on as well so dan thanks for joining us

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early on today and we'll speak to

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everyone else again very very soon that

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he made it an issue i don't think he

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[Music]

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i can't imagine how it could have been

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[Music]

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there was something on my head and

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everything was weird and everything was

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was ready they thought it was a dream

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[Music]

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and what's that

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[Music]

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it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a